The White Iris Star Trek Continues Written By Amy Voinficand sexta-feira, 14 de outubro de 2022 Add Comment Edit Very nice review. I think that's a prefect way to "measure" these episodes...if they are better than the weakest of the actual TOS episodes, then they are worthy! And, every one of these STC episodes has been thus far. You can't really expect more from a fan production and, quite honestly, these productions are extremely professional and effective anyway. It took me a long time to accept it, but maybe this really IS the future of Star Trek. If it is, and it is as good as this (and some of the good episodes of Phase II), I can live with that. Yes, we can. And we should. At least with regard to editing and "polishing" scripts. I don't care how great a writer you are, you still need an editor. It warms my heart to see this coming from a co-executive producer of Star Trek Phase II. You raise many excellent points here and I agree with all of them. Well said. They have an out for a holodeck in TOS because the idea was conceived during the original series run, but they never got around to using it. Then we saw it in TAS which lends weight to it already being there even though STC doesn't really ackowledge TAS. I say this because while the STC group likes TAS their position is that many of the things seen in TAS would have been impossible to do as live-action on TOS. Arex and M'Ress are prime examples (and I know Arex has appeared in NV/PII). It would involve retconning things back into the TOS universe that didn't exist even as ideas during 1966-69, but then they are vaguely (as well as directly) referring to things from other productions that didn't exist during TOS. And they are also using some f/x in ways that would have been challenging for TOS if not impossible and sometimes look a bit too much like TOS-R. Something like STC does offer you the opportunity to do things that should and could have been done in TOS yet based on the conceit of additional time and money being available (which it wasn't). But it is a fine line not to cross into including things that simply couldn't have been done even with all the time and money '60's era television production would never allow. And that includes f/x that are so obviously contemporary style cgi. QuinnTV Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt Re: Star Trek Continues: White IrisHow do you propose to "fight" CBS? They own and control the franchise. You gonna rock-paper-scissors (-Spock) them for it?Yes, it does matter. For example, Syfy is owned by NBC. If CBS determines that Trek is at a point where it's profitable to put it on television, they would, most likely, put it on one of their own channels, not NBC, not Disney. So, begging for it airing just anywhere isn't going to work.This is quite a definitive statement. How do you know this? Heads up: First and foremost, television is a business. Source: I've worked in it for a long time. The whole point of it is for the networks to make money, so, yes they will take your money. Happily. Every show that you're sick on on TV - it makes money. If it didn't, something else that did generate profit would be on. In my opinion, CBS feels the programming it currently airs would make it more money than Trek. I'm sure you feel differently, but these decisions are not make arbitrarily. The networks have rather extensive research departments and ratings metrics to back up their decision making.No, they don't. Copyright data can back this up. Well you can expect whatever you want I suppose. But, just like anything else when pretentious folks pride themselves on having "high standards"...you're just going to walk through life experiencing disappointment after disappointment. Glad that's not me. Are we brothers? YT still doesn't have it back up on the official channel. Yeah, I'm interested to know what's going on since CBS gave the green light several days ago. Could be You Tube doesn't care, and won't get to it for a year. If STC wants it up soon, they might have to load it again. That does seem to be the pattern with YouTube on these matters. They take their sweet time and don't really make much of an effort on their end when these kinds of snafus occur. LOL!!! So true. [Spoken as a hard-core WHO fan.] Just my 2¢... Interesting and intimate character moments in this new STC story. Each of the actors (including "Smith"... or was that "Jones"?) seems to really shine. They bring their characters to life better than any other TOS-derived fan production. And the sets are top-notch. Having said that... The story lost me when Kirk just gets up and reports for duty almost instantly. Even Sulu couldn't do that with a Cordrazine injection. TOS got away with this trick twice, and reviving a dying goateed Spock in "Mirror, Mirror" was already stretching things. "The White Iris" was a neat idea, but there are too many jump-the-shark moments. It's great to see the STC crew on their game, but this story was pretty weak. How does Kirk's heart heal so miraculously by simply using a holodeck to say good-bye to his lost loves? At least they didn't need the Eyemorg brainwashing machine to do open-heart surgery on him. Not up to par after "Fairest of Them All". I've now watched "The White Iris" three times and some of my criticisms persist. This is written more like a TNG episode. I think the script could have used another rewrite as I find some of the dialog clunky. The way some of the characters are wriiten doesn't ring true at times. The whole way the medical issue is dealt with and the subsequent resolution to it was unconvincing. Despite Kirk's stubborness McCoy and Spock had more than sufficient grounds to relieve Kirk long before his breakdown on the bridge which I still find poorly handled and out of character. It's not horrible and in many respects light years ahead of what other fan productions are doing, but it's definitely STC's weakest effort and it could have been distinctly better. Another telling distinction (for me) is that STC's previous episodes interested me sufficiently to watch them again much like actual TOS episodes. But TWI doesn't instill the same level of interest for repeated viewings. DCR Commander Red Shirt I really don't think there's a way they could have gotten away without the TNG comparisons on this episode. Visiting the Counselor and then resolving the issue on the Holodeck is just too much of a TNG-style resolution to be missed. It's not that it's necessarily bad, but it is an influence I've found in every episode. It strikes me Kirk was supposedly experiencing some sort of anxiety attack or something with hallucinations brought on by the combination of head trauma and the experimental drug. And then the resolution is essentially talking it over with himself? Because that's what he was doing since those he was seeing weren't really there. Yeah, it was very TNG and after all is said and done I didn't find it particularly interesting as executed. There's a valid enough story idea to be told here, but I don't find it as is convincing or effective. Warped9, you make a great point about this having the vibe of a TNG episode. I hadn't considered that, but I agree with you 100%. To be fair, he wasn't the first, nor the only person to make that comparison: And the TNG vibe has also been noted in other critiques of "Continues" and their episodes. Like PII/NV, "Continues" often feels like a TNG-episode in TOS drag. evanstheratur.blogspot.com Source: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-continues-episode-4-the-white-iris.272593/page-17 Share this post
Very nice review. I think that's a prefect way to "measure" these episodes...if they are better than the weakest of the actual TOS episodes, then they are worthy! And, every one of these STC episodes has been thus far. You can't really expect more from a fan production and, quite honestly, these productions are extremely professional and effective anyway. It took me a long time to accept it, but maybe this really IS the future of Star Trek. If it is, and it is as good as this (and some of the good episodes of Phase II), I can live with that.
Yes, we can. And we should. At least with regard to editing and "polishing" scripts. I don't care how great a writer you are, you still need an editor.
You raise many excellent points here and I agree with all of them. Well said. They have an out for a holodeck in TOS because the idea was conceived during the original series run, but they never got around to using it. Then we saw it in TAS which lends weight to it already being there even though STC doesn't really ackowledge TAS. I say this because while the STC group likes TAS their position is that many of the things seen in TAS would have been impossible to do as live-action on TOS. Arex and M'Ress are prime examples (and I know Arex has appeared in NV/PII). It would involve retconning things back into the TOS universe that didn't exist even as ideas during 1966-69, but then they are vaguely (as well as directly) referring to things from other productions that didn't exist during TOS. And they are also using some f/x in ways that would have been challenging for TOS if not impossible and sometimes look a bit too much like TOS-R. Something like STC does offer you the opportunity to do things that should and could have been done in TOS yet based on the conceit of additional time and money being available (which it wasn't). But it is a fine line not to cross into including things that simply couldn't have been done even with all the time and money '60's era television production would never allow. And that includes f/x that are so obviously contemporary style cgi.
Re: Star Trek Continues: White IrisHow do you propose to "fight" CBS? They own and control the franchise. You gonna rock-paper-scissors (-Spock) them for it?Yes, it does matter. For example, Syfy is owned by NBC. If CBS determines that Trek is at a point where it's profitable to put it on television, they would, most likely, put it on one of their own channels, not NBC, not Disney. So, begging for it airing just anywhere isn't going to work.This is quite a definitive statement. How do you know this? Heads up: First and foremost, television is a business. Source: I've worked in it for a long time. The whole point of it is for the networks to make money, so, yes they will take your money. Happily. Every show that you're sick on on TV - it makes money. If it didn't, something else that did generate profit would be on. In my opinion, CBS feels the programming it currently airs would make it more money than Trek. I'm sure you feel differently, but these decisions are not make arbitrarily. The networks have rather extensive research departments and ratings metrics to back up their decision making.No, they don't. Copyright data can back this up.
Well you can expect whatever you want I suppose. But, just like anything else when pretentious folks pride themselves on having "high standards"...you're just going to walk through life experiencing disappointment after disappointment. Glad that's not me.
Could be You Tube doesn't care, and won't get to it for a year. If STC wants it up soon, they might have to load it again.
That does seem to be the pattern with YouTube on these matters. They take their sweet time and don't really make much of an effort on their end when these kinds of snafus occur.
Just my 2¢... Interesting and intimate character moments in this new STC story. Each of the actors (including "Smith"... or was that "Jones"?) seems to really shine. They bring their characters to life better than any other TOS-derived fan production. And the sets are top-notch. Having said that... The story lost me when Kirk just gets up and reports for duty almost instantly. Even Sulu couldn't do that with a Cordrazine injection. TOS got away with this trick twice, and reviving a dying goateed Spock in "Mirror, Mirror" was already stretching things. "The White Iris" was a neat idea, but there are too many jump-the-shark moments. It's great to see the STC crew on their game, but this story was pretty weak. How does Kirk's heart heal so miraculously by simply using a holodeck to say good-bye to his lost loves? At least they didn't need the Eyemorg brainwashing machine to do open-heart surgery on him. Not up to par after "Fairest of Them All".
I've now watched "The White Iris" three times and some of my criticisms persist. This is written more like a TNG episode. I think the script could have used another rewrite as I find some of the dialog clunky. The way some of the characters are wriiten doesn't ring true at times. The whole way the medical issue is dealt with and the subsequent resolution to it was unconvincing. Despite Kirk's stubborness McCoy and Spock had more than sufficient grounds to relieve Kirk long before his breakdown on the bridge which I still find poorly handled and out of character. It's not horrible and in many respects light years ahead of what other fan productions are doing, but it's definitely STC's weakest effort and it could have been distinctly better. Another telling distinction (for me) is that STC's previous episodes interested me sufficiently to watch them again much like actual TOS episodes. But TWI doesn't instill the same level of interest for repeated viewings.
I really don't think there's a way they could have gotten away without the TNG comparisons on this episode. Visiting the Counselor and then resolving the issue on the Holodeck is just too much of a TNG-style resolution to be missed. It's not that it's necessarily bad, but it is an influence I've found in every episode.
It strikes me Kirk was supposedly experiencing some sort of anxiety attack or something with hallucinations brought on by the combination of head trauma and the experimental drug. And then the resolution is essentially talking it over with himself? Because that's what he was doing since those he was seeing weren't really there. Yeah, it was very TNG and after all is said and done I didn't find it particularly interesting as executed. There's a valid enough story idea to be told here, but I don't find it as is convincing or effective.
Warped9, you make a great point about this having the vibe of a TNG episode. I hadn't considered that, but I agree with you 100%.
And the TNG vibe has also been noted in other critiques of "Continues" and their episodes. Like PII/NV, "Continues" often feels like a TNG-episode in TOS drag.
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